Discussion in 'Ballroom Dance' started by billman, Jan 2, 2013.
Is it proper to were tails for American smooth?
I you can move effectively in them, yes. But in general if they are made to not allow for movement of your arms... kinda the antithesis of smooth style. Make sure you get a set specifically for smooth.
So if a tailsuit were made with extra room to allow for the open arm work of American smooth... It would not be frowned upon by judges? I love the classy look of tails.
You are talking about dance tails right? Not formal wear tails...
A few years ago I saw a gentleman with a dance vest that had been made with tails. The vest was cut so it blended beautifully with his black shirt, very cool look but one that I don't know everyone can pull off.
I'm not going to say "absolutely not," but... realize you'll be making a very strong statement if you wear tails in Smooth, and it probably won't sit well with a lot of people.
Full disclosure: I would be one of those people. I don't think the hanging tails and the slightly baggy high-wasted pants look good unless you're dancing in frame. Dancing Smooth choreography in Standard tails reminds me a little of a dancing penguin...
with the current flashy who can out do one another in american smooth jackets colors and patterns, i do not think tails would fit in at all.
You must really loathe Fred & Ginger movies.
No, I don't. First, I didn't say I "loathe" or hate the look (and I certainly don't loathe penguins.) That's not appreciated.
Second, there are all sorts of reasons that Astaire pulls off a tails when the average (or even above average) Smooth dancer does not:
despite his influence, he's not usually doing what we consider ballroom dance;
the movies took place decades ago, where tails were less of a costume;
his tails are much more fitted than modern Standard tails;
he's in a movie, not being judged by a panel of judges;
there's no typical uniform for what he's doing, nor is he surrounded by ten other couples more appropriately dressed;
and ultimately, he's Astaire - not an average Smooth dancer.
Which could be a GOOD thing, but only if you've got the chops to back it up. Standing out and attracting attention is great, but not if you're not already pretty good.
tails in smooth no thank you
jackets without tails in standard no thank you
you shouldnt wear your taco bell uniform if you work at burger king
i know of one male who dances pro/am in tails and smooth and it looks so awkward and out of place it is NOT a good thing.
I agree that tails would stick out, but I don't think that color is exactly de rigeur in high end pro smooth men's jackets. Sure, there's some, but black is still a pretty danged popular choice.
Travis Tuft's maroon jacket/pants in the Embassy 2011 Pro Smooth final has always looks very strange to me. Even Mazen's white jacket at USDC this year stuck out too. Black / grey / midnight blue are definitely dominant, though I love seeing weird jacket cuts.
That is so funny. The current consensus that "tails look awkward" in smooth or wearing them "wouldn't sit well". You all do realize that vests and jackets are a recent development... and tails used to be the norm??!! It is only with baby eyes that you can't conceive that someone dancing smooth in tails actually looks appropriate. It is interesting, perception of history only goes back as far as facebook and youtube.
The whole shift away from tails was started by David Hamilton. He would wear a vest suit (I still have one of his first sets) in the preliminary rounds. He did that so the baby dancers wouldn't feel the pressure to buy a tailsuit right away... and thereby save them from buying a BAD tailsuit out of desperation. But the time the big boys were on the floor together, we were all in tails. When I first made the open final... you wouldn't be caught dead NOT wearing tails.
The whole thing about a vest or jacket was so that men could have stepping stones to the real deal, the tails. But there were so many men that bought the vests and never moved up to something more appropriate, and that is how it became the norm. The upper echelon of smooth still was wearing tails until 2002. When that generation moved on there were all of these guys that had never been taught the value and appreciation of a beautiful set of tails. And now we have young dancers actually saying tails don't belong in smooth, or look out of place!! That's what happens when newer people come in a make declarations about what is right for a whole industry, but base it on a beginners observation.
Stephen loved color. I was just cleaning out my closets and found suits in cream, hunter green, maroon, and blue. He was knocked pretty hard for wearing them, but he loved them.
I actually think it's a bit of a shame that tails are out of style in the style. Since I'm moving to smooth in pro-am after Starz and am in no danger of being able to compete in open in am-am (and have a partner young enough I'm pretty much never going to be able to compete in senior I with her), I'm going to have to hang my tails up in just a few weeks. Sad Jude is sad. Or at least somewhat wistful. But not so much so that I'd try and play trend-setter.
NP passes along his condolences, Larinda.
And HE keeps threatening to bring in his old Smooth costume...it sounds...well...one-piece costumes on men aren't my thing, and I think it stays in his closet because he doesn't want his young teachers giving themselves a hernia laughing at it. I'll take a tailsuit any day. Yes, you probably have to have one cut to fit for Smooth rather than just an off-the-rack standard model, but frankly if Fred Astaire (who was doing things a lot closer to Smooth than Standard) can rock the tails in a position other than stick-up-the-rear, I think some people could. But again, like any other attempt to buck a trend, you better dance well.
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Michael and Toni - Tails
David Hamilton Pro-Am - Tails
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